tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-626162062588121300.post5634830289173601932..comments2024-01-23T10:21:10.258-08:00Comments on Libi BaMizrach: “Har Habayit Biyadeinu!” – It Really Is Up To UsYLOhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13689893295605516727noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-626162062588121300.post-66992246625160262422015-01-01T17:19:00.067-08:002015-01-01T17:19:00.067-08:00Anonymous 3
When I say 'satisfy everyone',...Anonymous 3<br />When I say 'satisfy everyone', I don't mean that everyone will be happy. I mean that a fundamental principle will be advanced. Something real will be accomplished.<br /><br />You can make a case for banning Muslim worship for a month or two, and you can make a case for a week or two, a year or two, or a generation or two. It's all improvisation, and does not serve to advance a principle. Let us not fear to call all of this infantile - "pray nicely or you will have to stand in the corner for a time or two". "Throwing rocks down on the Jews? Punishment for a week!"<br /><br />The problem is not that the Muslims are not being nice. It is that they think it is a good thing. Remember that when the first Israeli-'Palestinian' talks began, it was with a DOP - a 'Declaration of Principles'. In this case the principle is 'it's our Mount, and it's not your Mount'.<br /><br />I agree that it is impractical to blow up the mosque, but it is eminently practical to blow up the status-quo that allows Muslims to believe that they have a hope of asserting lasting authority over the Mount. As it stands, they have been given that hope and continuing to covertly fund a Swiss Guard (the 'Murbitat') to harass and assault Jews on the Mount'.<br /><br />If as you say my suggestion to allow no one on the Mount is reasonable, that's all I could ask. Not one other arrangement is reasonable.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-626162062588121300.post-58779711300807101672014-12-30T20:12:36.452-08:002014-12-30T20:12:36.452-08:00The idea posed by "Anonymous" of no one ...The idea posed by <i>"Anonymous"</i> of <b>no one</b> being allowed on the Mount, while reasonable to me, is likely to satisfy neither side, and thus impractical.<br /><br />What I think would be a reasonable and practical solution is that after something (G-d Forbid) like the massacre -- which came directly on the heels of their madmen preaching genocide -- that they all be banned for a month or two, and that cleric be arrested for racial incitement. You can bet your bottom dollar that had a Rabbi said half of what they said in a televised public broadcast they would be thrown in prison in Israel.<br /><br />Thank you to <i>"JBlog Reviewer"</i> for deigning to lend his/her "official imprimatur" to my humble blog. <br />You are certainly right that my response skews somewhat to the right, but I think that even those who disagree with, say, Rav Pruzansky's response, ought to at least agree with I wrote, unless they are on the left. I do not advocate violence per se, but I am firmly against pacifism and allowing the bullies to win. And if that takes a violent response to achieve, so be it.<br /><br />Your comment about the Chanukah tie-in is undeserved. Yes, various things can be tied in, but the similarities to the Chanukah situation are more than coincidental, IMHO. YLOhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13689893295605516727noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-626162062588121300.post-86980332054052857802014-12-30T15:29:30.849-08:002014-12-30T15:29:30.849-08:00Basically you start off talking about those on the...Basically you start off talking about those on the left, the right, and the center. You say the "religious" response is not enough. Then you just give a typical right-wing response, as you attempt to show how this response somehow ties in with Chanukah. <br /><br />I get the fact that you favor the right-wing response, but that is a typical emotional response of people in this situation. Anger leads to violent response. But, you have not demonstrated in any way why this is the most rational or logical response to stop the bloodshed. Your "solution" would likely only increase the problems. <br /><br />Your tie-in to Chanukah is of course only that - a mere tie in. I can tie anything into anything. I can tie Chanukah into any Parsha in the Torah. It's not real learning or scholarship... it is just drawing the target around the arrow you just shot. Ticket Finderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15408760107955357657noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-626162062588121300.post-59436864507939193902014-12-27T20:23:29.186-08:002014-12-27T20:23:29.186-08:00Anonymous 3
'Moshe of Arabia' Dayan did n...Anonymous 3<br /><br />'Moshe of Arabia' Dayan did not have the authority to grant "full legal rights to the Waqf". He was only the Defense Minister, but he just did it anyway without asking anyone. The fault was in not overriding him by the real authorities.<br /><br />Anyway, I have an idea for a compromise on the Temple Mount issue that should satisfy everyone. Obviously, to do anything we first have to remove foreign control over the Mount, and to assert Israeli sovereignty and police and Rabbanut control over it. Nobody seriously ever complains when we do what we have to do. When we *finally* killed Sheik Yassin, they shrieked that the gates of Hell would open for us. So we killed Rantisi and everybody else who raised his head, until they shut up. Personally I would have no problem blowing up the Mosque, but in the absence of Moshiach and united Jewish support we can wait for that.<br /><br />The compromise -<br />I don't think we have a serious disagreement abut prayer on the Mount. Those who care are willing to wait for Moshiach. The main reason people insist on visiting the Mount is to assert our rights to it in the face of foreign desecration. If we do that politically it makes the point.<br /><br />My innovation is this: Instead of arranging for everybody to worship up there, we ban everybody from worshiping up there. A two way street instead of the current one way street. <b><i>Everybody worships or nobody worships.</i></b> And 'everybody' doesn't seem to work, what with the rocks, assaults, riots etc., and we don't want to have to watch people moving their lips. Leave it for the foxes. Until Hashem makes some authoritative move.<br /><br />The whole reason for religious and non-religious Zionism is that the Goyim proved they could not be trusted to administer the Golus. Well, same with the Temple Mount. Nobody cared if they bowed to Mecca fifty times a day, but it wasn't good enough for them. When they put scimitar-waving madmen preaching genocide every Friday, it's time to bring the Mount out of the Golus. Nobody goes up there; not worshipers, not the Pope, not tourists, not the UN. Maybe temporarily the Antiquities Authority in consultation with the Rabbanut.<br /><br />Message to the world: The Mount belongs to us or it belongs to Hashem, but it doesn't belong to you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com